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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:33:00 -
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First thing Krixtal has said in ages that I can actually get behind, don't like the New Order? move to where they aren't.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: We're all James 315's pets now.
Only a pet?, according to popular belief amongst miners James 315 has 200+ alts & accounts, is actually Mittens and masquerades as CCP Soundwave on his days off.
I am James 315, not a lowly pet
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.12.26 22:06:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:MisterNick wrote:Astonishing how I keep hearing of this hilariously petty to and fro between crying miners and some fella with a messiah complex It's top quality player driven content. Yeah...right. And you prolly think those burgers you bag up a Mickey D's are top quality food.
McJob insults? surely you can do better than that?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:08:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:"Redeem yourself"? That rhetoric is very New Order.
Have fun. Although I agree that miner bumping is a form of griefing, as evidenced by the Evelopedia entry "Bump Griefing", I find the New Order to be an incredibly harmless travelling sideshow of roleplayers.
And the sooner people stop giving them attention, the sooner they will dis-a-mappear.
Nope, I can't see the bumpers and gankers disappearing any time soon, Why? because from what I can see they're having a huge amount of fun running a mini Hulkageddon. I have a vested interest in them continuing for a long time to come, thanks to them producing a huge demand for ships, modules and rigs I'm making Isk hand over fist, from both sides of the equation.
Without destruction, there is no profit.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:20:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: How harsh and cold.
Just like EVE Online.
I think of it as fulfilling market demand, it's just good business sense I'll quite happily take money from both sides of the argument, and then lol in local at all the tears while the Isk just keeps rolling into my wallet
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:45:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:I think Jonah is confused about what the New Order does. Bumping doesn't destroy anything so it is not the equivalent or in the realm of Hulkageddon.
As for James and his crew, plenty of sabre rattling but they aren't there to fight anyone. The key to extort someone is that they have to be there to extort. Blowing people up would seem a bit counterproductive.
My guess is this is some publicity/scam. By all means join up and give the OP isk if you feel like it.
Actually no I'm not confused at all, bumping is a small part of what they do, they also do an awful lot of ganking, for reference look up the amount of mining vessels killed in Brapelille in the last 2 days, also look up exhumer kills in, and around, Kamio and Osmon for the last month, that's mostly the New Order bringing their own particular form of Justice to miners. If they were only bumping they wouldn't have destroyed circa 80b isk of mining vessels in the last month. You sir need to keep up.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.27 01:00:00 -
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Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg wrote:I seen a dev say the majority werent using disposable alts. I then see 15 of these cats in local goin on about this James 317 dude and every last one of them was less than a month old. Its sad when grief is allowed with dev approval and encouragement. Whole topic makes me sad, Then i remember im not a miner.
Month old alt != disposable alt, the more likely scenario is that they have an alt that is specifically for ganking, it's not particularly hard to indefinitley run around hisec with a -10 bright red alt, and it doesn't burn your main.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.27 01:25:00 -
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Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg wrote:
Is there a way to prove either?
Yep a disposable alt will generally disappear after 14/21 days or 44/51 days if the alt account was activated, it's also probably against the EULA to roll a disposable alt, gank with it and then biomass it to roll a new one. Dedicated gank alts will generally be around for in excess of 1 year or more. My own personal dedicated gank alt is coming up on 3 years in game.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.27 03:35:00 -
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How much is a hansom these days? I understand they're quite rare now that most people possess one of those new fangled horseless carriages.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:51:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion. And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself. You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.
Military experts call that taking a successful doctrine and adapting it to your own needs, working in small cells is a highly successful method of warfare that is as old as mankind itself, a prime example would be the various resistances during WW2, the French, Polish and Yugoslavians used it to very good effect as did the Allies in the African Campaigns. It was also used during the American Revolution.
However you should really check your sources, from what I can see there are a significant amount of New Order pilots in one alliance, others are members of large corps & alliances and only the minority are running around in one man corporations, primarily because they're dodging NPC taxes. On the whole I would say that there are many more miners in one man corps and NPC corps than there are New Order pilots, so the question that must be asked is, just who is avoiding the wardecs?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.27 21:23:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Hmmm noticed no posts from James for almost exactly 30 days... figured a month long ban of some kind since he is so addicted to posting.
Regardless expected to see either:
1) James post trying to get attention as himself yet again. 2) James alt or friend post something easy for his peanut gallery to make fun of and hence - try to give James attention yet again.
Wish I hadn't of been right. Was a nice peaceful month.
That's strange, I see James in local all the time, within the last 36 hours at that, your hopes of him having been banned are futile.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:19:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote: My second clue was how he spells select words. "Honour" being the main giveaway.
Here's a thing, Honour is the common spelling used by pretty much every country that was part of the British Empire, and quite a few that weren't, except the USA. I also know of people in the US that use British and American spellings of various words interchangeably, much as people from Canada do.
Given the former size of the British Empire, James 315 could be from pretty much anywhere in the world, including the US and Canada.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:19:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:I'm not bigoted. I'm just looking forward to the day when all the hardcore griefers and gankers ragequit because CCP realizes there is more money to be made from casual players. They've already buffed the Barges and Exhumers.
The day that all the so called griefers and gankers quit Eve is the day that Eve ceases to be Eve and becomes just another generic MMO that just happens to be set in space. The fact that Eve is harsh and full of people that will destroy your pixels for shiggles, war or RP reasons is what makes it pretty much unique. Sure CCP may well make more money if this happened, but they would have to discard their original dreams and concepts of what Eve is and could become.
Without the griefers and gankers Eve wouldn't make nearly as many headlines in both the mainstream and gaming press, the GHSC scam, the destruction of BoB from within, burning Jita, the Jita Riots, Ridic and the Ebank, Phaser Inc. these are all things that made headlines, they were all driven by players, planned by players and executed by players. The PvE content is mediocre at best, the player created content, which isn't just blowing up pixels or scripted, is where Eve shines like a sandboxy ray of hope in an MMO market filled with themeparks.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:08:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sure CCP may well make more money if this happened, but they would have to discard their original dreams and concepts of what Eve is and could become. I'd contest this. As far as gameplay is concerned, EVE is quite a long way behind most MMOs, and making it carebearish will just turn it into a bad WoW clone. The people who come to EVE for EVE will stop coming, and the people who come to EVE for WoW will go to WoW instead.
Don't get me wrong I totally agree with you, it was a hypothetical "may". Personally I think the "trammelisation" of Eve would be the death of it, it's one of the few games in existence that encourages you to be a dirty, underhanded, conniving, lying, thieving, belligerently undesirable scumbag to achieve your goals, and that is why I, and no doubt many others play. The PvE in Eve is not good enough to carry the game, the PvP, in all it's varied forms is what carries it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:18:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:
Just another group of griefers mad that others in highsec won't play the way they want them to play.
Let us turn that on it's head because that statement plays out both ways.
"Just another group of carebears mad that others in highsec won't play the way they want them to play."
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:47:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote: The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.
Really? So the barge buff, which primarily came about because of miners whining, didn't negatively impact the playstyle of "gankers"?
To clarify, I mine to produce modules and ships, not once have I been ganked during events such as hulkageddon, even before the barge buff. why? because I actually fit a tank and make myself a less desirable target. I'm actually at my keyboard when I mine, I accept that people are free to interfere in my mining, in fact I welcome the interference, it makes life interesting. I support what James is doing, I chat with the New Order folks in their chat room while I mine, I occasionally indulge in the removal of competing miners along with the New Order. While it's not elite PvP, it's certainly bloody good fun, and I game for fun.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:55:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mira Robinson wrote: The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.
Really? So the barge buff, which primarily came about because of miners whining, didn't negatively impact the playstyle of "gankers"? Nope. They should go to low or null where they belong to find targets actually willing to fight back. I swear, I would be laughing so hard at the drama on these boards if CONCORD was buffed to make ganking in highsec so much harder.
Hisec is not safe, it's safer, Concord are not there to prevent, they are there to punish, if you want to play in complete safety there's this thing called a test server, PvP is consensual there.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:04:00 -
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Mira Robinson wrote: Safer for now.
I like to think of the barge/exhumer buff as a great first step.
Backwards
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:30:00 -
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@ Mira Robinson, you're either genuinely quite new or a troll alt, when I first started playing Eve I loved the PvE aspect and hated that people could blow me up at will, but I stuck with it because spaceships appealed more than elves and orcs.
I've been playing for close on 4 years now and with every year that passes I see more and more that the gameplay that I initially hated is in fact the gameplay that makes Eve as good as it is. I'm attempting to try pretty much everything in this game, I do PvE, I do PvP, I've lived in losec(albeit only for a month or 2), lived in wormholes, lived in hisec, the only place I haven't been is nullsec, although that will come when I decide to do the tourist thing and see places like the Eve Gate, the black monolith etc. No doubt I will explode a lot in the future, as I have in the past, and it's all part of the game.
Destruction drives the market, miners and producers supply the market, no gankers in hisec? kiss goodbye to the current market demand for certain ships and modules, for example exhumer sales and demand will drop because they won't be exploding so won't need replacing, and destroyer sales and demand will drop because the gankers won't be suiciding them on the exhumers and won't need to replace them.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
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Posted - 2012.12.30 03:41:00 -
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Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:My expriance with the so called new order last night
You'd be much better off in a Procuror, not far off the income from a retriever with the hitpoints of a battlecruiser, an awful lot harder to gank. Alternatively pay them the 10 million isk and be left alone, the choice is yours.
Harsh as it may seem, when you hit undock, you set a PvP flag consensual or otherwise. Eve is primarily driven by destruction, sometimes that destruction falls upon hisec. Live with it, learn from it, profit from it,
Edit : rocks>ice in terms of income, Devoid has many quiet systems with belts.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:14:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Having been a miner, I know a number of methods to foil bumpers. I've never seen anyone employ them.
Having spent a fair bit of time observing the activities of the New Order, I know several ways they could be effectively countered until they adapted with a strategy that would be far less efficient for them. There have been times I could have done considerable damage to their operations if it had suited me.
However, I will not reveal my secrets for free, as I highly enjoy watching these guys work. In fact I invited them into a system and watched the drama unfold over several days. It was great fun.
Want to know what I know? Make an offer.
I like your style, watching them work is pretty amusing, they're getting pretty good at forcibly clearing systems of people who don't pay them.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:46:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:ho chiminh wrote:Now I have killrights for 7 or 8 new players flying catalysts- whoopee! There is little point, however, as you can be fairly certain that they will all be biomassed by the end of the month and replaced with new disposable suicide gank alts.
If you see people doing that then by all means petition them, it's against the rules. I doubt you'll see much of it though.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.04 06:16:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:seriously, just get some alts and suicide them all day long... problem solved.
That requires effort, therefore it is unlikely to happen.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.06 00:22:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Wescro wrote:VegasMirage wrote:seriously, just get some alts and suicide them all day long... problem solved. This is one of those instances where fighting fire with fire is totally ineffective. There are a lot of things miners can do to resist the New Order effectively, but in the long term the least painful way is to pay the 10m ISK and be blued. You realize as long as you continue to pay them, they will continue to harass you right?
Wescro is a payee not a payer, so it's in his best interests for miners to keep on paying.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.15 13:23:00 -
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tai oras wrote:
Maybe it was the post about James making 50 Billion isk in Helaima doing this and wanting enlarge it? Agents are alts, so they are merely tools. The "investors" will definitely look at a ROI that is in the black. So maybe CCP should just make all of New Eden null sec and let the cattle herders win. Awesome idea....It's a sandbox BUT only if you play my version of this game...
ROI is definitely in the black, most investors consider the amount of lols and tears generated have more than compensated for their imaginary space monies.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.16 06:35:00 -
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Emperor Crash Zues wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Emperor Crash Zues wrote:i'm just saying the caparison can never be used ever. Oh, but in broad terms, of course it can. Take Batman. The police wherever he lives, they're OK, but nothing special. Pretty slow off the mark, bound up by red tape and paperwork all the time. What's more, they tend to focus on petty criminals, and hardly ever even notice the people pulling off the huge crimes. Batman, on the other hand, now he's good at justice. He leaves the petty criminals to the police, but when there's a big criminal out there, he doesn't have to wait for some bigwig in a hat to tell him to go; he's out there busting faces and spreading law and Order. Code: Batman = New Order. Police = Concord Petty Criminals = Whoever Concord attacks Big criminals = Botters and bot-aspirants. Cept for the fact you seem to be missing batman never killed his opponents
Neither does the New Order, capsuleers are immortal, ergo the new order merely relocates their consciousness via the appropriate use of antimatter.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:17:00 -
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Eyana Starstruck wrote:Well I guess you are the ones that fail at reading since I did write 1st and bolded it so people can see it 1st He wrote some other things so don't take this out of context or as a sign of confession.Silly minions.
Your disclaimer makes no difference to the fact that you selectively and maliciously manipulated the quote concerned to make it appear that the poster was in breach of the EULA, have you considered journalism or politics as a career?
I'm still waiting for the proof that the New Order are taking money from a bot mining operation and that they recycle gank alts, which is a breach of the EULA.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.18 16:45:00 -
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You can trust a Goon, just never give them anything.
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Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
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Posted - 2013.01.24 22:31:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote: Filthy undesirables...
That's filthy belligerent undesirable to you
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:30:00 -
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Rip Rap wrote: .. 3 days in EVE and counting and already reminded of Ulitma Online gameplay in the early days.
There's a reason for that, Eve was conceived of and designed by people that played UO pre trammel as PKers.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:08:00 -
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Leo Lain wrote:It's look like New Order is a new inquisition, and knights and agents are inquisitor wannabe's.
Nah if they we're a new inquisition they'd all be rolling Amarr gank alts.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:05:00 -
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I don't think any of us should be discussing the way that little girl is being raised, it's not our place and the forums is the wrong place for such a discussion anyway, as a 7 year old she probably has a better grip on what Eve is than many adults, to her it's probably the ultimate playground. I've seen several vids of her playing and her father is always present, so I presume that he's got various channels minimised etc so that she isn't exposed to some of the asshattery that us adults get up to.
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:02:00 -
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Keisha Mei Ash wrote:Last I checked, we can have opinions about whatever the hell we want. This is, after all, Eve.
And yes, I'll say it to anyone's face; the fact that he has a 7-year old on one of the most proficient *******-breeding ground MMO's is questionable.
Opinions are fine, we all have them and we're entitled to them, but criticising another players ability as a parent is a bit too personal for my liking.
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Posted - 2013.01.30 02:43:00 -
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Keisha Mei Ash wrote:How about just going to work for CCP, and implementing a system where a player does not interact with another player within a certain amount of time, they automatically blow up?
That way you can target ALL solo players. Miners, missioners, explorers, everyone! Because if they aren't playing your way, they're playing the wrong way.
Because that would be bad, people can choose to play the game solo if they like, but with Eve being a sandbox, other players can choose to change that.
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:09:00 -
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eddie valvetino wrote:LeHerp Aggin wrote:It's about time someone has stood up to these clowns. They've tried to extort me several times, but to no avail. Noone should interfere with how i want to play Eve in High Sec. While I don't in any way agree with The New Order and this James follow... I have to say, you're wrong High sec isn't safe, it never has been and I hope never will be. It's cos a little safer than low sec and 0.0 because concord will respond there... Notice I said respond and not protect? Concord are here to punish law breakers not prevent them from breaking the law. When will you chaps learn? There is lots of useful advise here other than this post. FYI orbiting does help with both bumping and ganking but sitting still surrounded by roids may well prevent bumping but makes you an easy target for other Dessie bombing gankers. Eve already has all the mechanics needed to help with your issue with The New Order... why don't you learn a little and use them?
They don't see any hypocrisy in saying "No one should interfere with how I play Eve in highsec" while advocating interference in how others play in highsec.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2013.01.31 18:38:00 -
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I think the difference between Hulkageddon and the New Order is a matter of scale, Hulkageddon was a universe wide campaign that was run on multiple fronts by a large number of people and in the case of the last one was well supported logistically and advertised by Goonswarm, the New Order campaign is on a smaller scale that migrates to where it's needed, they manage their own logistics and rely on the RP/Zealot aspect for ingame advertising. If the number of individual pilots from Hulkageddon was compared to the number of individual pilots from the New Order I would say that on a per pilot basis the New Order probably scales quite well. The total damage caused may well be less but I would hazard guess that there are far fewer pilots inflicting that damage.
I've just checked, the last Hulkageddon campaign inflicted 7.23 Trillion Isk of damage during the campaign with a total of 43332 kills. Source : http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:35:00 -
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While I was unaware that the hulkageddon killboard was still counting exhumer kills, I was not the person who brought up the comparison. I merely provided some data about hulkageddon and did acknowledge that ganking is only one of the tools that the New Order uses.
My bad, I shall go and indulge in some self flagellation and mental torture, by breaking out my mining barge and mining in an asteroid belt that has been semi-depleted by some multiboxer running 4 Hulks and an Orca.
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Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:03:00 -
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Aglais wrote:So let's assume for a second, with no outside biases whatsoever, that the New Order succeeds. They usher in a new age to highsec, and all miners either act in ways that the New Order finds acceptable, or are killed before they can sell their minerals to other industrialists.
What percentage of the current mineral output are we looking at going into the market at this point? I'm fairly certain it'd be less in this hypothetical scenario, if the New Order does in fact manage to be everywhere and lock down highsec mining. So by supply and demand, minerals end up increasing in price.
"A victory for the New Order; legitimate miners now have increased profit as they deserve."
False. You know why it's false? Here's why. Basically, industrialists are in this whole thing to build a product and sell it to generate wealth. The problem is, it gets more difficult to produce wealth if the raw materials you need to construct a product get more expensive. So what do you do? You increase the price of your completed product. Prices of any commodity that requires minerals gathered via highsec mining rise.
That's right. Who would've guessed, cutting off the flow of minerals by any degree just might have a negative effect on the market, and make things more expensive. This however assumes that minerals acquired through reprocessing loot are minimal (AFAIK, compared to the amount of minerals you get from actually mining, they practically are), and that nobody in nullsec steps up to the plate and brings their practically untapped watershed of resources to bear.
So... Is this intended? Because that's a fairly big reason for non-miners to start looking at the New Order with a bit of scrutiny here. I'm fairly certain that the actions they take will have some negative effect on the market.
If mineral prices rise, mining becomes worthwhile again, as it stands the mineral and ice markets are depressed. Industrialists aren't stupid, they'll run their own code compliant mining ops for raw materials, or purchase their materials for a fixed price from a code compliant mining corporation. Nullsec mining has little or no effect on highsec, because they have different ores and priorities.
I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
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Posted - 2013.02.08 17:03:00 -
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Emperor Crash Zues wrote:apparently you guys haven't gotten the message we don't Damn ******* Care about you ******* Damn code.
Then stop posting in threads about it, we don't care that you think you don't care, does that make us the don't-carebears?
I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Gordian Knot Holdings
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Posted - 2013.02.18 01:07:00 -
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Kesian Quinn wrote:I am mostly curious how the Order justifies blowing up ships of miners who are talking in local and not afk. This tells me they are not after change, only after extortion money. It all sounded reasonable until they started targetting non afk ships. I'm just curious.
Two Words
Mining Permit.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Gordian Knot Holdings
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Posted - 2013.02.20 23:20:00 -
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Agent Trask wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Alana Charen-Teng wrote:Ironically, the brutix had lowest damage. I tried to steer him in the right direction, but I guess he went for the old "Bigger is better". Yea, I'm awful. I arrived five seconds late for the party. We'll try having the Brutix pre-align next time. I could go Winmatar, but I'll need to train up guns.
Trust The Rust, don't forget to use T2 Duct Tape
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Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.23 04:00:00 -
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Kesian Quinn wrote:The most amusing change is that "podding" is now called Bumping
Bumping involves bumping a ship out of its mining laser range, podding involves waking up in a clone vat, I can see why you're confused
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 01:37:00 -
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Emperor Crash Zues wrote: And they never will answer your question without involving there useless code Otherwise they'd have to admit what they do is extortion.
There, they're and their, you only have 3 choices, and you still get it wrong.
Extortion is the (illegal) obtaining of money, goods or services via force, or threat of force. I prefer the term coercion myself, it's an integral part of Eve, AWOXers force corporations to give them medals and isk before they will leave corp, pirates ransom other players' ships and pods every day, the New Order temporarily relocates clones unless you've paid for a permit. All are forms of coercion, and all are implicitly allowed by the very nature of the game we play.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 02:21:00 -
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Emperor Crash Zues wrote: If I wanted your grammar advice I'd ask for it. "Extortion is the (illegal) obtaining of money, goods or services via force, or threat of force." This is exactly what you guys do, regardless what wording you use to justify you corrupt code. Criminal's have have been making excusing for there crime's to justify there actions for years. The Code Alliance is no different.
Extortion implies illegal, if it was illegal in Eve then people who have been the victim of extortion would have some form of legal recourse. There is no legal recourse for "extortion" in Eve, therefore it is not illegal, ergo it is not extortion but coercion. You can of course create your own recourse for coercion, in Eve it's normally done at gunpoint, but that requires you actually do something.
As for my grammar advice, I gave it to you as a gift, if you want to refuse my gift then that is your prerogative, it won't stop me giving them to you though.
Have some more gifts, it's making excuses not making excusing, their crimes not there crime's, and your code not you code. If English is your native language then please stop ganking it in that fashion, if it's not then please take the opportunity to learn from the gifts I just gave you.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:06:00 -
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@ Lina Drasselbaff, sounds like you're having a riot
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:12:00 -
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Emperor Crash Zues wrote: No? then why is it you can't sit in empire space without being hunted by concord? If it isn't approved by the 4 great empires then it is illegal. 1. extortion is illegal rl or eve. As is ganking in game, therefore what New order does is consider illegal by the 4 empires.
2. ISK is money or have you been buying ships with rl money if so your all idiots.
3. and third this whole game is based on the use of force or have I been playing a totally different type of eve then everyone else? Hell, New Order has been using force and the threat of force to make miners submit to there rule and buy permits or are you finally denying the code at least and turning from your life of crime? If you can't fathom that then maybe you should stop playing eve until you do.
Being hunted by Concord is the result of the ganking, not the coercion. I've been paid my fair share of ransoms and permits, yet I can safely bum around in highsec without being hunted by Corncord or the faction plod, simply because I haven't ganked anyone and have maintained a healthy sec status as a result of refraining from doing so.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:27:00 -
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Kane Alvo wrote:Amelia Torez wrote:James315 and the New order, it's time to end your harassment and return to normal game play. Harassment IS normal gameplay.
Good luck with convincing the "I want to play Eve like I play every other MMO" crowd of that.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:15:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Because the miners clearly don't actually want to do anything themselves because they're a bunch of impotent whiners with no ability to do anything for themselves they should pay me money to permanently wardec CODE. After week 5 we will start applying a discount so it's a pretty sweet deal.
They treat their wallet balance like a high score, unlikely to happen if it decreases the score.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
6320
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Posted - 2013.03.14 12:53:00 -
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Emily Florence Nightingale wrote:Tippia wrote:LeHerp Aggin wrote:Noone should interfere with how i want to play Eve in High Sec. Humour. I lol'd at how foolish this statement was and just how much is shows the lack of understanding about Eve, New Eden and CCP vision for it. FYI - High Sec is and never has been... safe. It's just slightly safer than low sec and a little safer still than 0.0. You roll about in a barge or a freighter or a high value indy, sooner or later, some "evil greifer" is gonna fck your sht.
Yet it is a rallying cry among those who want water Eve down into a clone of every other MMO, or to play an MMO as a single player experience. There's nothing wrong with playing your own way and with your rules, but you have to accept that others may not be playing with the same rules.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
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Posted - 2013.03.14 20:52:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I prefer platinum
Platinum is for peasants, Lutetium is where it's at.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:48:00 -
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Minerva Arbosa wrote: Then you have some of your guys who ignore miners actively at their keyboards and decide to gank them anyways. My other bet is that even if you do buy this indulgence pass, the New Order Logistics will gank you anyways. Who is to say this pass doesn't mark you as target?
Actively playing the game does not exempt a miner from having a permit, if they have no permit then they are fair game. New Order pilots have access to a list of people that have purchased permits, miners on the list who are actively playing rarely get ganked by the New Order pilots, those that do get ganked generally get an apology for the mistake and fully reimbursed for their loss. AFK miners who do have a permit usually have it revoked, being AFK is a breach of the terms and conditions of their permit, resulting in them becoming fair game.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9946
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:05:00 -
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Emperor Crash Zues wrote:as long as there is oppression from groups like New order there will be freedom fighters to take up the flag and wave it and warning others of your oppression against the free people of New Eden
One man's oppression is another man's freedom, as evidenced throughout human history.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Jonah Gravenstein
Matah Kagmi Designs
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:20:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:I think the miners should grow a set, band up together, and strike (dont mine at all, do some ganking of your own to line-breakers, and watch the price of veldspar soar on the market). Never happen, a miners strike in Eve just wouldn't work, why? because it requires organisation and effort. There's also little or no way that a picket line can be enforced short of using the very tactics the New Order are currently using.
Quote:Once the large indy corps cant afford to operate anymore, THEY will sort out the new order Greed is a powerful motivation, if miners stop mining, others will fill the gap left in the market.
Quote:CCP fixes the exploit that James315 uses to avoid wardecs, (yes, closing your corp to avoid a wardec and then reopening it is an exploit), he will get his pixels turned inside out. You mean the self same mechanism that people have been using for years to avoid wardecs? Annoying yes, exploit no, if it's good enough for the goose, it's good enough for the gander. You don't get to decide what is and what isn't an exploit, not until you're employed by CCP and it's in your remit to say so.
Quote:What each miner in eve fails to understand, obviously, is that their profession is a cornerstone. Without any mining, nothing is built. You control the very means your enemy is using to kill you!
What you fail to understand is that while mining may be the prime source of materials for ship building, anybody can do it, not just miners.
If all the highsec miners stopped mining tomorrow, you know what would happen? An artificial dearth of minerals would cause a temporary spike in prices, people with huge mineral stockpiles would start feeding them onto the market at increased prices, players that don't currently mine would start to mine because of the potential increased value of their efforts, and because they need the materials to continue the pewpew.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Jonah Gravenstein
Shepherd Contract Agency Scholarly Division
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:12:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:
Wrong. The new order are the criminals. If they were not, they would not get super-owned by concord. Thats the only overwelming force here. Not a bunch of kamikaze delta-bravo's.
Minerbumping.com is full of rhetoric and garbage. Since you want to compare time periods and regimes.. I can think of a similar one circa 1940's... in Germany. Display your "miner patches" or get podded. Sounds like it to me. Round all the miners up because they make the money that we dont. Hmm...
New Order = The Fourth Reich?
National Socialist comparisons? Have you really stooped that low? You're about a year too late for those, and by no means unique.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
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